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Twitter’s Virtual Coffeehouses and the Re-Enlightenment

In a recent blog post, Atheist Climber wrote about an “Atheist Re-Enlightenment”. I thought it was an interesting notion, and he accompanied it by tweeting a link to the Wikipedia page on the Enlightenment.

In the Atheist Climber article there is a discussion of the need for a re-enlightenment – and I certainly agree. What struck me though, was something only touched on there, but that really stood out in the Wiki article on the Enlightenment.

Now first: I’m an uncultured sod, innit? I knew almost nothing about the Enlightenment – and so was very grateful for the link and the prompt to read about it. The thing that struck me was that is wasn’t simply that lots of cool stuff was discovered or done, but that there was a shift towards being inclusive of the public, and widening both the availability of knowledge, and the discussion – of knowledge, of science, of politics, of philosophy …. Coffeehouses sprang up, and became places where the public would meet and discuss these things.

Really I think that’s what we need: inclusion. Getting more and more people discussing all of this. As Atheist Climber noted, the internet can facilitate this; he mentioned atheists and sceptics popping up on his facebook page and so on. I must say that despite having intelligent and thoughtful facebook friends, discussions on serious issues don’t seem to do much more than get ‘liked’. Twitter on the other hand is full of these sorts of discussions. All the time. Everywhere across the world. It’s like a vast network of “virtual coffeehouses” through which I think and hope a Re-Enlightenment really could spread.

So … anyone reading this who isn’t on Twitter: what the hell are you waiting for? :P Turn on, sign up and join in. I’ll make it easy to start: I’ve created a list called Coffeehouse, which comprises those tweeps with whom I tend to have those sorts of conversations. Follow that list, and join in the conversations. You might learn something (I certainly do) and you might impart some knowledge (I hope I do). – And then spread the word further; the more, the enlighteneder. ;)

Loss of Belief

I’ve just watched the video of Phil Plait’s “Don’t be a dick” talk at TAM8. This talk has spurred a lot of discussion and a lot of strong feelings around the place. It’s probably spurred varying degrees of reflection by sceptics on our own behaviour. Personally I know it’s made me think more about how (and particularly if) I approach discussions. I don’t think I’ve been too terrible before, but I did become more aware that I can tend, if not careful, to get snaky and mocking. – And I don’t want to be a dick. ;) Consequently I think I’ve become more likely in fact to steer clear of discussions where it seems to me that the other party is incapable of changing. I figure what’s the point of raising my blood pressure (and maybe theirs), and running the risk of being a dick, when I’m not going to change their mind at all. The young Earth creationist isn’t going to turn around and say “you know, I see it now: Darwin and all those other science fullas were right. I guess I’ll go burn down a church and start having bacchanalian atheist orgies”. The homeopath isn’t going to say “ok, you got me: it’s just water, with no memory, and it’s all non-specific effects. I think I’ll apply for a job with a drug company.”

So that’s one thing, and I would suggest strongly that if you haven’t watched it yet, you do so.

The other thing though is what I want to write about now. It’s something that just occurred to me as I was listening. Plait talked about belief, and losing it. The majority of atheists I encounter online seem to have been believers previously, and lost their faith for one reason or another. Plait wasn’t talking just about religious belief (he specifically mentioned UFOs and the Bermuda Triangle), but that seems to be the number one.

What occurred to me is that I’ve never had religious faith. – And the next thing that occurred to me was related to the point Plait made a number of times about how scepticism is hard, often unpalatable, and our brains aren’t wired for it. Basically scepticism about religious belief – once I actually encountered it “in the wild” so to speak, as opposed to in books of myths and legends – was not difficult or unpalatable. It wasn’t that my parents pushed my sisters or me away from religion, they just didn’t indoctrinate us into religious belief. Consequently, when presented with the bizarre stuff found in the Bible, my first reaction is pretty much WTF? (In a way it makes it harder for me to argue with religious belief, since I honestly cannot see how such belief is maintained. Magic and ghosts and so on – likewise.

But … my grandmother studied acupuncture, and my parents would advocate a bit of acupressure here and there. Later on I found myself rationalising madly in an attempt to maintain belief in acupuncture (not for too long; I think the generally rational tone of my upbringing – and particularly the absence of religion, which provides such an overarching irrationality – has left me reasonably ready to think rationally about many subjects) before I finally accepted the weight of evidence against it having any specific effect.

My experience of those two areas of belief is vastly different: I had no trouble dismissing any notion of religious belief, and yet held on to a belief in acupuncture in the face of contrary evidence. The question that occurred to me is “why?” I wonder if there’s more than just our brians being “not wired for scepticism” as Plait says; I wonder if in fact the potential is there, but it can be shaped – towards or away from critical reasoning – by your upbringing. No surprise there, as most or all psychological/cognitive characteristics depend on both nature and nurture.

Let’s take religion. How did I encounter religion while my brain, and thought processes were developing? Books of Norse myths and legends primarily, as well as the Greek and Roman myths – and comic books ;) (Asterix, and Thor, natch).

When, much later, I encountered Christianity, it fitted rather well into the same mental box as Thor, Odin, Zeus, Jupiter … in fact seeing how Zeus -> Jupiter, Hermes -> Mercury, Hera -> Juno etc really leads one to think about the reality of religions and gods, if they’re so malleable, and depend really on who’s writing the books. So what I wonder is if a non-indoctrinated upbringing can mean that scepticism in that area isn’t actually that difficult.

And then I look at acupuncture. While I wouldn’t say I was indoctrinated into a belief in acupuncture, it was something I experienced as an accepted thing while we were still quite young. Perhaps as a consequence, developing a sceptical approach to acupuncture was harder for me and took longer than for religion.

Implication? We really need to look at the environments in which our children grow and develop. One of those environments – and probably the next most important one after home – is school. This is perhaps why it is harmful to the ability of people to reason critically, to have them exposed to irrational religious beliefs as children at school. At least, exposed to them in an accepting, uncritical way. Maybe if we expose children to more critical thinking and less faith and dogma, they won’t find a sceptical approach to the world so hard.

And if we expose them to lots of Carl Sagan they certainly oughtn’t to see scepticism as joyless or lacking passion. 8)

Magic, ghosts, and woo

Magic. Ghosts. Spirits. These are things that pop up in fairy tales and in children’s stories and tv shows & films. Sometimes even they’re debunked – for example in Scooby Doo (though I personally have never liked it) it’s always some guy with a mask and a clever contraption and some flashy chemistry – never a ghost. Never magic. Never paranormal.

Generally though, we accept these magical things in kids’ stories. Well, not if we’re Richard Dawkins we don’t, but I digress ;) We accept them in fantasy fiction as well, even as adults, because we’re clear about fiction vs non-fiction; we know when we’re reading a fairytale and when it’s reality.

Don’t we?

Apparently not, given the widespread belief – among adults – in magic and ghosts. You know: those things that even Scooby Doo debunks.

I was in our lunchroom at work yesterday (somewhat unusual, but then again it was 2:30 or so, so I figure it was reasonable for me to have some lunch :P ) and a couple of members of another team were in there. I didn’t stay long, but long enough to hear one of them telling the other – quite seriously – about someone she knew (not a patient) who supposedly sees spirits or similar. Read more [+]

Fantasy sceptic

“Matter flows from place to place, and momentarily comes together to be you” …. Some things Richard Dawkins says I like. Some I don’t – for instance his indifference to Bill Maher’s anti-science woo-loving anti-vax nuttiness, because he made an anti-religion film, so it’s all ok.

Also for instance – and it’s the instance that makes this blog post – his dislike of fantasy books. I recall a very awkward-seeming interview he had with Andrew Denton where this came up as well: Dawkins said clearly that he thinks it is (or at least might be) bad for children to be reading about fairies and magic and such, as he thinks it might lead to woolly and magical thinking.

I disagree. In fact, not only do I think it’s not a necessary progression from fantasy books to magical fluffy brains, I would suggest there’s as much reason to think it helpful as there is to think it’s harmful. I can say that pretty confidently actually, as I really doubt anyone’s done a study on it …. Read more [+]

Non-belief needs no justification (Friday Filosophy)

At the risk of upsetting any of my readers who fancy I am too hard on the religious, today’s “Friday Filosophy” will take at least as its starting point, an article written a couple of weeks back by one David B. Hart on the First Things website, entitled “Believe it or Not”. I’m struggling to read it all, there is so much burning stupid disguising itself as faintly condescending intellectualism. But I will endeavour to do so – for all of you – and give my thoughts. So if you find this sort of thing tiresome, as Tim Minchin said: “just give me five more minutes”. ;) – Though this is really ire at Mr Hart and a particular thread of his argument, rather than at religion per se.

Hart sets the tone early:

But the latest trend in à la mode godlessness, it seems to me, has by now proved itself to be so intellectually and morally trivial that it has to be classified as just a form of light entertainment

Well, that’s nice isn’t it?

To illustrate the intellectual torpor of atheists, he then launches a few broadsides at the essays in a book entitled “50 Voices of Disbelief: Why We Are Atheists.” Without having read the book I can’t compare what he writes to what is actually the substance of the positions espoused by the various contributors. Perhaps I should stop there, but I won’t ;) as he seems to me to be mocking and finding fault for the sake of it – when really the power of their reasons for their own atheism is completely irrelevant – that is in fact the main point I will come to later on. Read more [+]

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