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		<title>A Non-Starter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Raphael Fraser</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Medicine and psychiatry]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160;An envelope came for me in the internal mail. From a drug company. It invited me to request starter packs for a medication that is not subsidised on the PBS.&#160;After some deliberation, I&#8217;ve decided against doing so, even though I am rather interested in the possibilities of this medication, and wonder if it might turn out to be a more useful antidepressant approach (at least for some people) than what he currently have available (with subsidy).
So why have I decided against it? Surely it would be good to have these starter packs, as then I can use it&#8230;.
It&#8217;d be good for the drug company, certainly. The evidence is that when medications are available to hand out to patients, doctors are more likely to use those, even when there are other appropriate &#8211; and cheaper &#8211; options.
Sure, I might see myself as immune to the wiles of the pharmaceutical industry &#8211; but so does everyone, and we&#8217;re all wrong.
So it&#8217;s better that I don&#8217;t get the samples. If I want to use the medication I can see about asking the drug company to provide it pending PBS subsidy, I can entreat our pharmacy to provide it, the patient can pay (as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;An envelope came for me in the internal mail. From a drug company. It invited me to request starter packs for a medication that is not subsidised on the PBS.&nbsp;<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">After some deliberation, I&#8217;ve decided against doing so, even though I am rather interested in the possibilities of this medication, and wonder if it might turn out to be a more useful antidepressant approach (at least for some people) than what he currently have available (with subsidy).</span></p>
<p class="first-child "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><span title="S" class="cap"><span>S</span></span>o why have I decided against it? Surely it would be good to have these starter packs, as then I can use it&#8230;.</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">It&#8217;d be good for the drug company, certainly. The evidence is that when medications are available to hand out to patients, doctors are <a href="http://nofreelunch.org/requiredsamples.htm" target="_blank" title="">more likely to use those</a>, even when there are other appropriate &#8211; and cheaper &#8211; options.</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">Sure, I might see myself as immune to the wiles of the pharmaceutical industry &#8211; but so does everyone, and <a href="http://nofreelunch.org/requiredinfluence.htm" target="_blank" title="">we&#8217;re all wrong</a>.</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">So it&#8217;s better that I don&#8217;t get the samples. If I want to use the medication I can see about asking the drug company to provide it pending PBS subsidy, I can entreat our pharmacy to provide it, the patient can pay (as much as my socialistliberalhumanistpinkoswine self hates that idea) &#8230;&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">&#8230; or I can use another medication, or non-pharmacological treatment.</span></p>
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		<title>The Problems With Obligatory Dangerousness</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Raphael Fraser</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Medicine and psychiatry]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Philosophy and Ethics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[compulsion]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Happy New Year, first of all.
The other day I happened upon a 2008 paper by Large, Nielssen, Ryan, and Hayes, entitled &#8220;The danger of dangerousness: why we must remove the dangerousness criterion from our mental health acts.&#8221; (J Med Ethics 2008;34:877-881). I won&#8217;t link to it, as it&#8217;s not freely available. However, I will summarise the main arguments as best I can, and then discuss both my agreement and concerns.
The authors&#8217; point is that dangerousness is not a logical, useful, or ethically-sound, criterion on which to base involuntary psychiatric treatment. They then suggest a person&#8217;s capacity to consent as a better replacement.
They start with some historical background on the Obligatory Dangerousness Criterion (i.e. not simply that dangerousness can justify involuntary detention and treatment, but that only dangerousness (to self or others, generally) can do so). They then present arguments against the validity and value of an ODC: that the reasoning behind it is flawed, and its effects unhelpful and possibly even harmful.
First they argue that an ODC is unnecessary as a justification for overriding a mentally ill person&#8217;s autonomy, because their illness has already robbed them of their autonomy. This is the point at which I began annotating my PDF&#8230; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="first-child "><span title="H" class="cap"><span>H</span></span>appy New Year, first of all.</p>
<p>The other day I happened upon a 2008 paper by Large, Nielssen, Ryan, and Hayes, entitled &#8220;The danger of dangerousness: why we must remove the dangerousness criterion from our mental health acts.&#8221; (J Med Ethics 2008;34:877-881). I won&#8217;t link to it, as it&#8217;s not freely available. However, I will summarise the main arguments as best I can, and then discuss both my agreement and concerns.</p>
<p>The authors&#8217; point is that dangerousness is not a logical, useful, or ethically-sound, criterion on which to base involuntary psychiatric treatment. They then suggest a person&#8217;s capacity to consent as a better replacement.</p>
<p>They start with some historical background on the Obligatory Dangerousness Criterion (i.e. not simply that dangerousness can justify involuntary detention and treatment, but that <em>only</em> dangerousness (to self or others, generally) can do so). They then present arguments against the validity and value of an ODC: that the reasoning behind it is flawed, and its effects unhelpful and possibly even harmful.</p>
<p>First they argue that an ODC is unnecessary as a justification for overriding a mentally ill person&#8217;s autonomy, because their illness has already robbed them of their autonomy. This is the point at which I began annotating my PDF&#8230; it seems to me to be a rather sweeping generalisation to write, as they do:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;In most cases mentally ill people who refuse treatment do so because their mental illness has robbed them of their capacity to consent to that treatment.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>O rly? &#8220;most cases&#8221;? That&#8217;s definitely a statement I would have liked to have seen backed up by a slew of references &#8211; especially as it forms the basis of their later suggestion.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>They go on to make I think more cogent arguments against an ODC. First they draw a comparison with non-psychiatric situations where a person might be unable to consent to treatment, and make the point that dangerousness is not a part of the decision-making about their treatment.</p>
<p>Second (and deserving its own paragraph), they discuss our inability to be clear about dangerousness in any really reliable way. Even using the best available actuarial tools, in controlled research settings, you see unsupportably-large amounts of misclassification of risk (they cite particularly the MacArthur Study of Mental Disorder and Violence, in which &#8211; despite a higher baseline prevalence of risk than one would usually be dealing with, which increases one&#8217;s positive predictive value &#8211; 29% of the study subjects were misclassified).</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the best case scenario. By a long way. Most studies agree that a psychiatrist has no better ability to predict who will or won&#8217;t kill themselves or someone else, than flipping a coin.</p>
<p>So, I agree with these authors: that seriously undermines the justification for an ODC.</p>
<p>Next they take on the utility of an ODC. One might argue on utilitarian grounds that if an ODC is useful, then let&#8217;s go with it even if it&#8217;s not logically or clinically justified. I wouldn&#8217;t, but one might&#8230;. However, they discuss some evidence showing that the Duration of Untreated Psychosis is longer (by 5 months) in countries with an ODC compared to countries without &#8211; and they say that was not able to be explained by clinical characteristics of the patients, or by the funding or delivery of psychiatric services. The longer the DUP, essentially the worse the clinical outcome for the ill person. They then cite studies showing a statistical correlation between longer DUP and greater risk of violence, suggesting (in an indirect manner, it should be said) that the adverse effects of an ODC (assuming that is in fact what is causing the problems) are not just limited to the person themselves, but also may involve harm to others.</p>
<p>So, an ODC doesn&#8217;t make sense, and isn&#8217;t useful. But no-one wants to return to just locking up psychiatrically ill people because they&#8217;re psychiatrically ill, so what do we use instead? These authors suggest an assessment of capacity:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;Mental health acts should be redrafted so that treatment without consent can be provided to a mentally ill person if and only if:<br />
1. It can be reasonably held by an independent authority that the mentally ill person lacks the capacity to consent to the proposed treatment.<br />
2. It can be reasonably held by an independent authority that the mentally ill person will gain substantial benefit from the proposed treatment, or alternatively, if a proxy decision maker believes that the mentally ill person would have consented to the treatment had he or she the calacrity to do so.<br />
3. The treatment is provided in the least restrictive environment practicable.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>They go on to say that such a change in criteria:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;&#8230;would return the fulcrum for compulsion to its proper place. That is, that the mentally ill person has, usually by virtue of their illness, lost the capacity to see themselves as ill, and as in need of treatment.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>And that, I have a problem with. While I agree with the argument against an ODC, I have serious reservations about the use of capacity as a replacement. In practice I think it would mean people would be detained simply for refusing treatment &#8211; with their lack of capacity to consent to treatment being assumed, tautologically, by virtue of their refusal of treatment.</p>
<p>Taking a step back from the practical reality, this also requires a substantial value judgement about both mental illness and the available treatments, and an assumption that the ill person must necessarily share our adjudged values &#8211; or that if they don&#8217;t, it must be a reflection of their illness, and warrant involuntary treatment.</p>
<p>I accept that there are established methods for the assessment of capacity, and their (mandatory) use might address my first reservation; however, I&#8217;m left with the second, and I&#8217;m not sure how to surmount it.</p>
<p>In addition, if we were to allow involuntary treatment of someone who lacks the capacity to consent, then why only in psychiatric illness? Why even specifically in psychiatric illness? Shouldn&#8217;t this argument then just represent a call for a &#8220;Health Act&#8221; allowing involuntary treatment of anyone who lacks capacity to consent to treatment of whatever ailment they have? </p>
<p>Cat &#8230; pigeons&#8230;.</p>
<p>And are we talking passive assent or real informed consent? &#8211; And how would we monitor the consent processes in relation to such a &#8220;Health Act&#8221;?</p>
<p>Sadly, I don&#8217;t have any answers. I do think the ODC should go. It&#8217;s senseless, and probably either useless or actually harmful. However, I&#8217;m unconvinced that capacity to consent is a reasonable replacement, and I can&#8217;t think offhand of anything else.</p>
<p>Not an easy thing, figuring out what might constitute a reasonable justification for removing a person&#8217;s basic human rights &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Medical Copyright Trolling</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Raphael Fraser</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[copyright]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just bloody terrible, and makes me want to get into the self-publishing business &#8230;
Via Ben Goldacre I&#8217;ve read this morning about the copyright owners of the Folstein Mini Mental State Examination, and their efforts to extract money for its use (which in one sense is fair, but they&#8217;ve ignored their copyright for the last thirty years, during which the test has become ubiquitous and pretty much indispensable), and, it seems, to get rid of an open-access alternative developed and validated at Harvard.
Dick move, PAR. Totes dick move.
As the NEJM said:
For clinicians, the risk of infringement is real. Photocopying or downloading the MMSE probably constitutes infringement; those who publish the MMSE on a Web site or pocket card could incur more severe penalties for distribution. Even more chilling is the “takedown” of the Sweet 16, apparently under threat of legal action from PAR (although PAR has not commented publicly). Are the creators of any new cognitive test that includes orientation questions or requires a patient to recall three items subject to action by PAR? However disputable the legal niceties, few physicians or institutions would want to have to argue their case in court.
So &#8230; If we ask someone where [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="first-child "><span title="T" class="cap"><span>T</span></span>his is just bloody terrible, and makes me want to get into the self-publishing business &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://bengoldacre.posterous.com/copyright-trollery-mmse-takedown-of-open-acce" target="_blank" title="">Via Ben Goldacre</a> I&#8217;ve read this morning about the copyright owners of the Folstein Mini Mental State Examination, and their efforts to extract money for its use (which in one sense is fair, but they&#8217;ve ignored their copyright for the last thirty years, during which the test has become ubiquitous and pretty much indispensable), and, it seems, to <a href="http://jajsamos.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/the-sweet-16-cognitive-assessment-tool-vanishes-for-now/" target="_blank" title="">get rid of an open-access alternative</a> developed and <a href="http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/171/5/432" target="_blank" title="">validated at Harvard</a>.</p>
<p>Dick move, PAR. Totes dick move.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1110652" target="_blank" title="">As the NEJM said</a>:</p>
<blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p>For clinicians, the risk of infringement is real. Photocopying or downloading the MMSE probably constitutes infringement; those who publish the MMSE on a Web site or pocket card could incur more severe penalties for distribution. Even more chilling is the “takedown” of the Sweet 16, apparently under threat of legal action from PAR (although PAR has not commented publicly). Are the creators of any new cognitive test that includes orientation questions or requires a patient to recall three items subject to action by PAR? However disputable the legal niceties, few physicians or institutions would want to have to argue their case in court.</p></blockquote>
<p>So &#8230; If we ask someone where they are, and to remember a few things, we&#8217;re infringing copyright? And a screening tool that does so must be pulled down and kept away from use? I guess if it might impede money-making then that&#8217;s only right and proper&#8230;.</p>
<p>You know, I think the <a href="http://mindhacks.com/2011/12/29/diagnostic-test-takedown-by-copyright-bullies/" target="_blank" title="">Mind Hacks blog said it best:</a></p>
<blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p>Cashing-in on a simple and now, clinically essential, bedside test that you’ve ignored for three decades makes you seem, at best, greedy.</p>
<p>Taking down open-access equivalents because they also ask people the location and date and to remember a handful of words and numbers makes you a seem like a cock and a danger to clinical progress.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yep. </p>
<p>Cocks.</p>
<p>So as I said: self-publishing &#8230; I feel like photocopying thousands of copies, and just handing them out on street corners, and leaving them in letterboxes, and giving it to everyone.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll post PAR a bunch of IOUs&#8230;</p>
<p>And a photo of my middle finger.</p>
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		<title>Well that hurt rather a lot&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 01:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Raphael Fraser</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I now have a better appreciation for why my little son was so distressed when he got bitten by a mahoosive ant (about an inch long).&#160;
&#160;
I was gardening this morning, and picked up a handful of grass and clover I had pulled out. At first I thought something in the weeds must have had a thorn, but the pain quickly intensified, leading me to release my grip and drop the weeds &#8211; whereupon I saw the ant attached to my palm.
&#160;
And yes, I do mean attached.
&#160;
Seriously, for a while it felt like I&#8217;d never play the guitar again. Happily I was aware that beyond pain these ant bites don&#8217;t do anything unpleasant &#8211; but the pain really is quite unpleasant enough. 
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Aggressive little sods.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="first-child "><span title="I" class="cap"><span>I</span></span> now have a better appreciation for why my little son was so distressed when he got bitten by a mahoosive ant (about an inch long).&nbsp;<br />
&nbsp;<br />
I was gardening this morning, and picked up a handful of grass and clover I had pulled out. At first I thought something in the weeds must have had a thorn, but the pain quickly intensified, leading me to release my grip and drop the weeds &#8211; whereupon I saw the ant attached to my palm.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
And yes, I do mean attached.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
Seriously, for a while it felt like I&#8217;d never play the guitar again. Happily I was aware that beyond pain these ant bites don&#8217;t do anything unpleasant &#8211; but the pain really is quite unpleasant enough. <img src='http://www.tsuken.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
&nbsp;<br />
Aggressive little sods.</p>
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		<title>For Goodness&#8217; Sake?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Raphael Fraser</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Atheism and Religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Philosophy and Ethics]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Merry Christmas (almost). Time for carols, perhaps&#8230;
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He watches when you&#8217;re sleeping
He knows when you&#8217;re awake
He knows if you&#8217;ve been bad or good
So be good for goodness&#8217; sake
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STOP!!
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In what universe can that be seen as being good &#8220;for goodness&#8217; sake&#8221;? The song celebrates being good expressly for the sake of material reward, based on the judgements of some external omnipotent other&#8230;
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Hmmmm&#8230; 
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And I&#8217;m not sure (based on an n=2 study of my own children) that model of behavioural control is even useful in small children.  
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="first-child "><span title="M" class="cap"><span>M</span></span>erry Christmas (almost). Time for carols, perhaps&#8230;<br />
&nbsp;<br />
He watches when you&#8217;re sleeping<br />
He knows when you&#8217;re awake<br />
He knows if you&#8217;ve been bad or good<br />
So be good for goodness&#8217; sake<br />
&nbsp;<br />
STOP!!<br />
&nbsp;<br />
In what universe can that be seen as being good &#8220;for goodness&#8217; sake&#8221;? The song celebrates being good expressly for the sake of material reward, based on the judgements of some external omnipotent other&#8230;<br />
&nbsp;<br />
Hmmmm&#8230; <img src='http://www.tsuken.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
&nbsp;<br />
And I&#8217;m not sure (based on an n=2 study of my own children) that model of behavioural control is even useful in small children. <img src='http://www.tsuken.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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